Want my job? with Caitlin Skinner, director and one half of Jordan & Skinner

"I try to remember that the idea that we should all earn enough money to buy lots of stuff and own a house etc is a total con anyway. Better to do something meaningful."

Want my job? with Caitlin Skinner, director and one half of Jordan & Skinner

Could you first introduce yourself to the reader?

Caitlin Skinner, one half of Jordan & Skinner. I am the director of all our shows.

What does your job involve? Give us the typical outline of a day?

Such a mix. A bit of producing and admin work, which could be booking a tour or talking to a producer or having meetings with people we want to work with on future projects. Or it could be organising finance around projects and writing funding applications. The best days are when we are rehearsing or developing productions. Then I am ALL about the stationary- post-its, sharpies, big paper. The great thing about working with Mel is that there lots of creativity and mucking about involved no matter what we are doing. 

What’s great about your job?

It’s so much about collaborating with other people and I love that. I love getting to jump off other people’s ideas and work with their skills and experience. It’s really nourishing. 

What are the bits you don’t like or find challenging?

It feels like it takes AGES to get shows on sometimes. I find that hard. By the time you’ve got money together, found a time when the whole team are available and booked the whole project it can take so long before the work reaches the stage. I find that frustrating. 

What are the highlights of your career to date?

When the first show that Mel and I made (Sanitise) won a Fringe First Award in 2014 that was such a highlight. We didn’t expect it. It was such strange show and had felt so true to the weirdness that me and Mel were discovering came out when we worked together. So, to get that recognition for our first show, before we were even a company was a really important moment for us and was the real reason we went on to create more work together and become a company. 

What was your career path into this job?  Have you also worked outside the arts?

When I was growing up I loved theatre and performance but it was always a hobby. When I went to University I originally studied English and Politics and wanted to become a journalist, but it didn’t really work out so I dropped out and came to study Drama instead. 

Originally, I specialised in community theatre and theatre for development and completed a Masters in Applied Theatre in New York. But, it was always the directing element of this work that I loved the most and so when I started working I fell into working more with professional actors and with writers which I absolutely loved. I sort of merged more into that world and ran a new writing pub theatre in Edinburgh which is where I really learned to direct and work with writers. 

It’s been a real mishmash of work since then making my own work, assistant directing, bit of arts admin and freelance directing for other companies. Now I have a steadier portfolio, so I split my time between Jordan & Skinner, a new writing company that we’ve just launched called Pearlfisher and I also work part-time as an Associate Director for Pitlochry Festival Theatre, as well as occasional freelance projects. 

Can you describe your biggest challenge so far in your career? How did you overcome it?

It has been challenging financially. Directors do get paid badly and when you are making your own work you end up not paying yourself most of the time. It’s been seven or so years of being totally broke and having to be ok with that. Now things have steadied out more though and I have survived so I feel it was worth it. 

I try to remember that the idea that we should all earn enough money to buy lots of stuff and own a house etc is a total con anyway. Better to do something meaningful. 

Have you noticed any changes in the industry? If so, what?

I think the industry is constantly changing, especially at the moment. There is a real hunger and demand for change and it is exciting to see. I just hope the right voices are heard to guide the wheel towards progress, equality and diversity in the industry. 

You’ve been granted the ability to send a message to 16-year-old you. What do you say?

Find your people and make something happen. 

Do you have any advice for young people interested in doing your kind of job?

Lean into those parts of the job you are bad at or afraid of: whether its marketing, finance or pitching. Don’t hide from them. Get advice, learn and get good at those things so you can be in full control of your work. You can do it and it’s worth it. 

Header Image Credit: Dundee Rep

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Tom Inniss

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Tom is the Editor of Voice. He is a politics graduate and holds a masters in journalism, with particular interest in youth political engagement and technology. He is also a mentor to our Voice Contributors, and champions our festivals programme, including the reporter team at the Edinburgh Festival Fringe..

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